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  • Honestly, the only difference here is we're talking a small section of the middle-east and not all of Europe.

    A small section of the Middle East for now, and not for lack of trying. They're actively trying to restart the Syrian civil war.

  • As a wise man once said: Every accusation is a confession.

  • They've always been in power in Israel; it's just more obvious now. The only Israeli leader who didn't believe Israel has the right to unilaterally murder Palestinians and steal their land is Rabin and they fucking killed him for it.

  • The people aligned with ISIS were on America's side during the Iraq war.

    What people? From what I've understood Al Qaeda in Iraq's predecessor organization was attacking US troops basically right after the invasion.

    OK bro, divest bro because obviously the techbros are going to turn America fascist once the boomers implode the world economy in a few years. Just do it bro. Match American military spending bro. You need it bro.

    I didn't say that. I said: Threaten to divest from US weapons if America invades Iraq, because it's a morally reprehensible illegal war and because it was predictably going to create a massive refugee crisis right in Europe's backyard.

  • What really started the migration crisis was ISIS and the Syrian war, 10 years later.

    You'll find that ISIS, in fact, grew out of the anti-American insurgency in Iraq. They actually weren't ISIS at first; they were Al Qaeda in Iraq.

    Quite what the EU, a non-military force that primarily overlaps with NATO, was supposed to do differently there I don't know.

    Divest from US weapons would've been one simple way to make America reconsider their crusade in Iraq.

  • What exactly could Europe have done to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq on the completely unfounded pretense that Saddam Hussein had WMD's?

    Threaten to stop buying US weapons? Dump US bonds? Impose sanctions? At the very least not send troops? Europe wasn't vassalized enough by America that they couldn't do anything but watch as America created the refugee crisis of the century in their backyard (which, I should say, is still blowing up in their faces).

  • To be honest I wasn't even alive when the Iraq war started so I have no idea, but looking back the pieces (immigration from the Middle East to Europe being easy, ethnic and religious rivalries in Iraq getting ugly, America's inability/unwillingness to install stable governments abroad) were all there so anyone in a relevant EU role who didn't see it coming should be fired.

  • A few European countries sent troops, but more importantly there was not a peep from Europe about, you know, not creating another refugee crisis in their backyard. He said oppose, not not support. Europe could've done more to oppose the Iraq war.

  • Uh...

    This seems like an attempt to undermine NATO. The only time article 5 has been used was after 9/11.

    By saying Europe had a choice and should have resisted, he lays the foundation for the US to not follow through on their NATO commitments.

    I'm saying that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with Europe's NATO commitments.

  • Yes but Europe was under no obligation to support the US in the Iraq war since it had nothing to do with NATO.

  • Fuck him, but yes.

  • Article five wasn't used in Iraq, only Afghanistan.

  • Trump wants Canada to be part of the US. It's been a thing since the start of his term.

  • We have come full circle.

  • Yes, that ceasefire.

    Trump was definitely part of that ceasefire, as evidenced by how Netanyahu rejected this exact same deal when Biden proposed it last time in May. If you have a plausible reason that he suddenly changed his mind from even a month earlier (where there were no mentions at all of a ceasefire) then let's hear it, otherwise Trump is the only explanation. We all hate the orange man here but objectively speaking Trump is a lot more plausible as a explanation than Biden's lackluster "negotiations" finally bearing fruit coincidentally right before Trump's inauguration.

  • I mean so far even if we give him no credit for the ceasefire he hasn't done anything to Palestinians so far. I mean I get that you hate that Trump won but leopards haven't ate that particular group of faces yet.