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HM King Charles III DG FD

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A sinner and a Fediverse Advocate.

Proud citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 🇬🇧 Proud citizen of the European Union 🇪🇺

I hate strawmen.

Disclaimer: not really The King

  • First of all..... The Bible is not a primary source,

    How do you define "primary source"? The section I quoted was written by someone who knew Jesus personally

    it wasn't even a contemporary source when first written down, which was at least a century after his death.

    Not at least, the latest... If you're charitable. According to secular scholars, the latest Gospel of John which I quoted was written 60-70 years after Jesus was crucified. That is definitely contemporary for accounts at this point in history. A lot of what we know about other people were written down centuries after.

    Secondly, demagogues and those who follow them don't exactly announce their true motivations. So it doesn't really make sense to use their own claims as evidence of their innocence.

    Okay then, do you have any evidence on the contrary?

    Lastly, I could just as easily claim Jesus was not killed for his faith, but because he destroyed a temple....

    What temple did He destroy? The temple was destroyed in 70AD

  • Matthew 20:20-28 ESV

    [20] Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something. [21] And he said to her, “What do you want?” She said to him, “Say that these two sons of mine are to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your kingdom.” [22] Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?” They said to him, “We are able.” [23] He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” [24] And when the ten heard it, they were indignant at the two brothers. [25] But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. [26] It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, [27] and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, [28] even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    John 6:14-15 ESV

    [14] When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, “This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!” [15] Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself.

    Jesus was not looking for political power.

    Joseph Smith wasn't merked for his faith. He was merked for burning down a printing press.

  • I actually agree tbh. Provided the drag queen/king doesn't have a record or a history (I don't think that's common anyway)

  • I unironically know of a guy who is an asylum seeker and convicted criminal who is complaining about illegal immigrants

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    1981 asbestos ad

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  • probably because they are underwater so less sun and radiation

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  • I don't think any tower is safe when you park a Boeing 767-200 into it

  • "Save some for us!!!"

  • Ty

  • Weigh it up. Mohammed was lying because he wanted more wives and political power. Joseph Smith was the same. Jesus got merked for his teachings and so did his followers for the first three hundred years.

  • What committee?

  • Pre-crime executions of babies? You’re justifying mass infanticide with Minority Report. That’s not morality, that’s thought-policing unborn futures. By that logic, God should’ve killed you before you typed this comment.

    If He did, He would be well within His right to. If they weren't going to be totally depraved, He would have rescued them.

    They yelled "baldy." You’re the one rewriting it as "kill yourself" to excuse bears mauling children. Imagine standing in front of a grieving parent and saying "don't worry, your kid had it coming for making fun of a prophet’s haircut."

    No. Refer to the text and context.

    2 Kings 2:11-12, 23 [11] And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. [12] And Elisha saw it and he cried, “My father, my father! The chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw him no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces. ... [23] He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!”

    Basically, Elijah is missing. Elisha is claiming to be his successor. They mock the account of Elijah leaving earth instead of dying, and basically telling Elisha to go disappear with Elijah. Since they possibly didn't believe Elijah was carried up and instead died, they'd be asking Elisha to do the same.

    Job is now in heaven.

    So torturing someone is fine as long as you reward them later? If I broke your legs today but promised you a PS5 in ten years, would that make me moral? This is abuse with a consolation prize.

    A PS5 isn't comparable to heaven. An eternity in paradise isn't a consolation prize. And God didn't torture Job. Satan did.

    your pig analogy fails with me because I'm vegan.

    Fair. I hope you'd agree that killing unborn children is also wrong.

    Congratulations, you admitted it: divine command theory. If God ordered you to skin your child alive, you’d call it good.

    How would you define morality

    Jericho, Sodom, Gomorrah. Ring a bell?

    The towns so bad that only one decent person lived in them? Who were spared alongside their family, despite their family also being terrible people?

    We don’t need to "reproduce" Napoleon, we verify him through multiple independent sources: letters, accounts, artifacts, battlefields. If you have comparable evidence for God, written by neutral parties, corroborated by archaeology, contemporaneous, and consistent, then put it on the table.

    Spoiler: you don’t.

    I do. There are multiple independent sources pertaining to Jesus, accounts. Alleged artifacts, definitely sites mentioned are proved to have existed. They are contemporary and consistent.

    All you’ve got is one internally contradictory book written by believers.

    1. No, we don't. The New Testament is 26 separate writings. And even then, there are a few writings outside of it such as Josephus, The Didache, and Polycarp.

    2. You're expecting someone to literally see Jesus rise from the dead and write about it and not be a believer? That's like me saying "Everyone who writes pro vaccine material is pro vaccine. Find me some anti vaxxers arguing for vaccines, then I'll listen".

    • Flooding babies.
    • Killing firstborns.

    They were going to be evil otherwise.

    • Sending bears to shred kids for saying "baldy"

    They were essentially telling Elisha to kill himself. And he used God's name in vain.

    • Torturing Job to win a bet.

    Job is now in heaven. I don't think Job cares about the distant point in time when things were bad. That's like calling your parents cruel for banning you from videogames as a kid - although even that is more significant than what happened to Job.

    You only excuse it because you slap "God" on the front. That’s divine command theory.

    That's because God is God. If a pig slaughters another pig and eats it, then pigs would find that evil. Yet it's okay when a human does it.

    But drowning toddlers and nuking towns isn’t "justice", it’s indiscriminate slaughter. If God’s only two settings are "do nothing" or "kill everyone" that’s a design flaw, not justice.

    Oops! You didn't mention any nuking of towns 🤔

    Stop dodging. Show reproducible, testable evidence that distinguishes your God from imagination. Until then, you’re just asserting

    Finally, there's your goalposts. It has to be "reproducible" and "testable". Can you show me reproducible and testable evidence that Napoleon existed?

  • Everything you've listed are instances of God punishing evil. Are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven without punishment? If that's the casewould you then complain that God isn't punishing evil? In many cases, you find instances of Atheists both complaining that evil currently exists, and then gets mad when it is punished! What a contradiction.

    I provided DNA, biology did the rest

    Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?

    You made dinner with your creativity. You designed it. Is it cruel to the dinner that you will eat it and boil it in your stomach acid?

    Unless you can prove he exists

    One can prove, but if you're unwilling to accept proof, then that's a different story.

    on a process we understand down to the molecule.

    Who designed that process? And do we really understand it? Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.

  • There is no evidence for the god you believe in, you are correct.

  • God wouldn't kill people for going to church. That's what I said.

    wouldn't be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did,

    Yeah because such a list would be empty

    My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.

    So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where? Pieced each bone into it's place? Set the colour of his eyes? Drew out his fingerprints? Laid down each muscle and wired each nerve?

    Can you do that?

    Can you be convinced? What evidence would you expect to have to convince you? Some people cannot be convinced that the earth is round, that climate change is real, evolution is a real observable process of nature or that vaccines are safe and effective.

  • No, you're not reading the whole message. What I was referring to was "you should stop wasting time in church and just be a good person"

    My partner and I made our son.

    No you didn't. God gave you a son.

  • Okay, and? God creates, He can destroy what He made as well.

  • If you pray to him and miracles happen, we can have Saint Terry the Terrible